Authors Peter Dale Scott and David Talbot join Mickey for a discussion of the now-popular phrase "deep state," and its implications.
They also share their thoughts on the best way forward for the left in the Trump era.
Peter Dale Scott is a retired diplomat and a prolific author on politics and history; among his books are "Deep Politics and the Death of JFK,"
and "Drugs, Oil and War." David Talbot is the founder of Salon.com, and now a columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle; his most recent book
is "The Devil's Chessboard."